Do you support the legalization of same sex marriage?
Let people love people as long as they aren't hurting them! Gay rights are HUMAN RIGHTS!!!
I AGREE! We are all humans, why does it matter who you choose to love?
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@9RF5TFD1yr1Y
God should not be brought into politics. Some people don’t share the same religious beliefs as you and that’s ok, let them be happy.
I'm right; they're wrong. They can cry about it if they want to.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
"I'm right they're wrong"
You evidence?
Also we think we are right and you are wrong. And guess what we are both right! It doesn't matter what you believe LGBTQ+ people deserve to have the same rights as everyone else. You can go on a rant about it if you want.
@9YMNG3N10mos10MO
@9T7WGYKRepublican1yr1Y
The founding documents of this country including the Declaration of Independence brought God into politics, have you ever read that document?
I have! And I happen to have read another founding document called the US Constitution, and it has a nifty little part of it called "The First Amendment."
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
If they really wanted to bring God into politics, would they have written that part about "an establishment of religion"?
@@1876-Elbert11mos11MO
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Separation of Church and State, not God and State.
@SkepTex10mos10MO
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“Separation of religion and government” is what I prefer. Should be a strict enough phrase that you can’t pretend it doesn’t mean what it clearly means.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen11mos11MO
you can't have one but not the other. God is part of the church so you can't have god in the state but not God.
@MAGA_Deplorable9mos9MO
You and I both know (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you have a nonzero IQ here) that basing laws on religious values is a far cry from Congress creating a National Church of the United States that all taxpayers are required to send money to. The First Amendment was written to prevent THAT, it was NOT written to make America a Secular Nation, that's for dang sure.
@SkepTex 9mos9MO
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Basing laws on YOUR religious values is “respecting an establishment of religion.”
“"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."If they really wanted to bring God into politics, would they have written that part about "an establishment of religion"?”
I don't think you understand what that part of the first amendment even means. It doe NOT mean that they wanted us to have a christian nation, or wanted us to bring religion into our government. It in facts means the exact opposite.
"The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".
This clause, known as the Establishment Clause, was written primarily by James Madison.
It reflects the widespread agreement after Independence that there should be no nationally established church."
God is the one who created the people, including homosexuals. He's not the one who disagrees with their marriages, it's the "christians". I don't see the reason why they should'nt get the same legal benefits of marriage as heterosexuals, as the USA has religioua freedom and no church should dictate others their view of the world. Note that I said the church, not the religion, since, like I said, God created them how they are and no one should try to repair his creations.
@9VNDFCDPeace and Freedom 11mos11MO
I find this extremely offensive, me being Christian myself I do support them and I love the LGBTQIA community so much, I've had my fair share of girlfriends in my time, I'm currently dating this amazing girl, we have a lot of plans together, INCLUDING adoption if we get to that point. Thanks for assuming, jacka**. And just a reality check, God literally says in the bible that marriage should be between a man and a woman in the temple and no one can enter the celestial kingdom without it. My opinion, we should be free to do what we want, and marriage shouldn't be just to get somewhere high, it should be for love. Don't assume all Christians are super homophobic and hate all this, because most of them are actually not homo.
@9YLYFPR10mos10MO
They put quotation marks when they said "Christain." They are aware not all Christians are homophobic.
@B3K8BR97mos7MO
I agree, because so many people just blame everything on Christians, and it drives me nuts. I am also a strong supporter of the LGBTQIA+ community. Hell, my whole church is a branch off of the United Methodist church, and one of our core beliefs is that we accept everyone, no matter if they're LGBTQIA+, ethnic backgrounds, we accept them. So that comment is blatantly false and ludicrous.
@@1876-Elbert 1yr1Y
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God created a perfect world. It was the Lucifer who created the sin. God is perfect. He cannot stand to be with sin, and that is why we do not walk side-by-side today.
@9V94J3412mos12MO
If God created a perfect world, then how come Lucifer exists? Wouldn't God just not create Lucifer? And if God did create Lucifer, then how come God, who is perfect and omniscient, couldn't foresee Lucifer's fall into sin? Your argument is fundamentally unstable.
@QuaintP0litic11mos11MO
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God's creation of Lucifer and the existence of evil doesn't negate His perfection or omniscience—it actually demonstrates the depth of free will. If God had created only beings who could never choose anything but good, then free will wouldn’t exist. Lucifer’s fall wasn’t because God couldn't foresee it; rather, it was because God allowed Lucifer to exercise his free will. Think about it: If God prevented the potential for disobedience, then we’d all just be robots, incapable of love or devotion, which requires the possibility of rejection.
Also, consider this: Lucifer was created as one of the most beautiful and powerful angels, but he choseRead more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
Your avoiding the point here. Why did God create free will if he wanted everyone to follow his laws? He can't have free will and have everyone follow his laws. The Bible is full of contradictions and this is one of them.
I've roughly show the problem with this with this flowchart. (Hopefully you can see it.)
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@B3MMD7SRepublican7mos7MO
God didn't want to. Lucifer was one of God's most beautiful angels. He got jealous of the other angels and had pride in himself. He gathered other angels and tried to rebel. Whenever Satan tempted Eve with the fruit, sin entered the world. In the Bible God said he regretted making humans.
@9T7WGYKRepublican1yr1Y
God does not create anybody to be “homosexual” your belief is that people are born to be gay and that is simply not true.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen10mos10MO
If we weren't born to be gay then why are we unable to just be straight huh?
@MAGA_Deplorable10mos10MO
Because unfortunately you have a s-xual perversion. But just because you are tempted to sin doesn't mean you have to give in. If you resisted temptation and earnestly asked God to help you, you would improve.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 10mos10MO
Huh. Interesting.
So when I was figuring out my sexuality I didn't want to be a homosexual and truly wanted to be straight. Why did I receive no help then?
This proves that sin is just an excuse to control other peoples lives. Its my life not yours stay out of it and let **** have the same rights of heteros.
@B3MMD7SRepublican7mos7MO
God DOES not approve of the same gender marriages but he still loves the people. It's the act of the sin not the people. He loves everybody including people of the LGBTQ. Jesus loves you.
@9SFSKLBIndependent1yr1Y
Who are you to decide who God does and does not love? If His love is eternal and all reaching, where does it go when encountering people you don't like? If my existence is a sin, then what does that make yours? Being LGBT isn't a choice, it's just the way some people are. You know Alan Turing, right? The guy that saved hundreds of thousands of lives in WW2 by inventing the Turing Machine? Well, he was gay, and at that time, it was illegal to be gay in England. The government there prescribed him hormones, with he OD'd on and died. He was a hero. So what if he was gay? Why… Read more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
I agree with your statement, I just want to correct something.
Alan Turning's experience in therapy was so traumatic that he swallowed cyanide, believed to be a suicide.
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@HelcovichEmireRepublican 9mos9MO
If you say it isn't a choice and it's just how some people are, then we should be putting them into mental hospitals to give them help, and set them straight (literally). Fine, we shouldn't hate them, but we the government definitely should not be supporting or encouraging them.
Yes, as the prophet states in the Qur'an
Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.
Kalamullah - The Word of God
@9TFWSTW1yr1Y
I'm Islamophobic and proud of it, I despise all Muslims with a burning passion. I don't care what the Qur'an says, anyone who has faith in Islam is a disgusitng pedophilia sympathist. According to Islam, pedophilic acts are acceptable, but homosexual acts are not. What kind of twisted, perverted, wicked logic is that? It absolutely flabbergasts me how over a billion Muslims can defend or excuse the revolting actions of Muhammad. I treat Islam the same way I treat NAMBLA, with absolute disgust and rejection. Just because a pedophilic cult claims to be superstitious does not mean I have to justify it's horrific beliefs and Muslims should not attempt to apply the "cultural norms" of the time to the modern day. Islam has no place in a thriving modern society.
@XfactorBl4ckBox11mos11MO
You claim to despise Islam because of what you believe to be its support for pedophilia, yet you ignore the fact that *modern-day* Islamic scholars overwhelmingly reject child marriage and pedophilia based on contemporary interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith. Meanwhile, you're stereotyping over a billion people based on the actions of a few extremists or historical customs that no longer apply. If you're going to judge an entire religion based on past norms, then by that logic, you should reject every civilization or religion that existed more than a century ago. Christiani… Read more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
Islam is a religion about love and acceptance of others even if they are different.
Islam is ancient religion and you must remember that the Qur'an were written to the social standards of the day, not those over a thousands years later.
At the time the Qur'an was written it was extremely liberal, it gave women the ability to testify in court, divorce their husband, and own land.
Some extremists like the Taliban, twist its words to suit their terrible beliefs, but they do not represent all Muslims. The KKK, twists the Bible around to be extremely racist.
I'm no fan of Islam but that is too far. Religions can pull people in using fear.
@9TX9LW412mos12MO
according to sheikh chatgpt, he says " No, Islam does not condone pedophilia. Islamic teachings emphasize the importance of consent, maturity, and justice in marital relationships. While there have been historical marriages involving younger individuals due to cultural norms at the time, Islamic law requires both physical and emotional maturity before marriage can take place. The concept of marriage in Islam is built on mutual respect, protection, and the well-being of both parties. Pedophilia, as understood today, is universally condemned in Islam, as it is harmful and exploitative, which goes against core Islamic principles of justice and morality"
@B6K9PKWProgressive4wks4W
Freedom of Religion
I don't believe in your imaginary friend and so they shouldn't be imposing on my rights. You can do whatever you like following your religious beliefs, but leave them out of the law and out of my life.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican 9mos9MO
I don't believe in God, but it's just common sense that homosexuality serves no purpose in human life and is just plain wrong. Animals, including people, were not meant to mate with those of the same gender, the **** was not made to be shoved up the *** There is nothing up the *** for sperm to fertilize, but gay people don’t know anything about how mating works. And scissoring is just so disgusting. It’s not even sex, it’s just touching genitals, there is not even any transfer of bodily fluids, or at least a useful transfer of bodily fluids. It makes no sense why people would want to scissor, unless they are suffering from amentia.
@SkepTex 9mos9MO
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…common sense that homosexuality serves no purpose in human life and is just plain wrong
Common sense is not a measure of truth; reality often defies intuition.
Whose purpose are you referring to? It serves the purpose of gay individuals who want loving and fulfilling relationships. If you’re talking about reproductive purposes, not all aspects of human life need to directly contribute to reproduction.
What exactly do you mean by “wrong,” and by what standard?
Animals, including people, were not meant to mate with those of the same gender…
”Not meant to” by whom? Evolution has no intent, but it did produce a ridiculous amount of gay animals. (Pub Med Central)Read more
@HelcovichEmireRepublican 9mos9MO
The purpose of sex is to reproduce. Without reproduction, there is no purpose of sex. I believe that all couples should strive to reproduce and have kids at some point in their lifetime, but gay couples can't do that, though they could adopt I guess. What I don't like is how the government and public are openly accepting homosexuality, encouraging it. We should be trying to stop kids who are thinking about being gay from being gay. We need to set these kids straight, literally, before they go gay, because at that point, it could be too late to help them. I'm not saying I hate gay people, though I wouldn't want to be friends with them either or work with them, I'm saying I hate how we are supporting and encouraging homosexuality in our communities, by openly accepting them and stopping those who are trying to shame them.
@SkepTex 9mos9MO
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I’d appreciate it if you would address what I said instead of restating your opinion. Again, where does this purpose come from? Again, sex has no purpose. It has functions. As you would learn, if you were willing, animals use sex for multiple functions. Do you have a reason I should believe what you’re saying? The government accepts gay people by extending to them the same rights as everyone else. The government does not “encourage” people to be gay. Do you have a reason to say it does? People who are “thinking about being gay” are probably at least a littl… Read more
@9ST7HGX1yr1Y
I don't believe in your god, so this does not apply to me.
@B2KN49S8mos8MO
That's actually not in the original bible - common misconception. And God also said to love thy neighbor - I'm pretty sure he didn't say, "Love thy neighbor unless they love people of the same gender, in which case don't do that." Just saying.
This is why our founding fathers wanted separation of church and state. Your religion/belief has NOTHING to do with our government. Me marrying a woman affects you in zero ways.
@SkepTex 10mos10MO
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God said a lot of **** . Can you justify your legal opinion legally?
@9YMNG3N 10mos10MO
Only god can judge i dont follow the new testament i follow the old testament and what i follow is the ten commandments in the ten commandments does it say anything about same sex marriage no so your not god and only god can judge us gays
@9TWL4X512mos12MO
Which is why Church and state are separate because people shouldnt be able to make laws based off of their beliefes. You probably wouldn't enjoy it if your lawmakers were athiests and enforced a law that churches should be done away with.
@9TYFGRB12mos12MO
I disagree. I feel like we should acknowledge that it is still a human right regardless of what God “said”. This whole gay thing has been a thing for centuries.. I don’t like when it’s alienated as much and pictured as this thing that “forces” people to be gay or whatever. It’s a choice for your mind and body to be homosexual, not a requirement. For the religions arguments, when it comes to religion, (If I can recall correctly) The Bible stated something like “love thy neighbor” or something. Love people as much as you love yourself. I feel like using religion as something to reject certain individuals or use it for discrimination isn’t something God would approve of. It’s pretty sinful in my opinion.
@9TYFGRB12mos12MO
Cont. Even then, God or religion shouldn’t be brought into politics at all. Not everybody believes the same beliefs as you do, and it’s alright. But respect those beliefs even if you disagree.
@9SFSKLBIndependent1yr1Y
Who are you to decide for others when you make your own decisions?
@B6K9PKWProgressive4wks4W
Freedom of Religion
I don't believe in your imaginary friend and so they shouldn't be imposing on my rights. You can go eat stale crackers and drink wine at 8 am. I'll go get gay married.
ok well guess what... CHICKEN BUTT!!!
@9VNM3SZ11mos11MO
“He created the moral law”
The Constitution forbids the federal government from making any law "...respecting an establishment of religion..." which makes your religion-based arguement defunct.
@9S9XJJL12mos12MO
Cant force your religious beliefs onto others. That is a cornerstone of this country. Separation of church and state.
@9TM9M9G1yr1Y
God Himself said “let God have what is his and Ceaser have what is his,” meaning God shouldn’t be a card to play during politics. Additionally, what verses?!
@sylas49 7mos7MO
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Amendment 1:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
@9V2K3SW12mos12MO
God did not make the moral law, man did. If women wrote the Bible, the discrimination would probably not be there, as we're supposed to love all our children.
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