The "assumptions" I made were not, in fact, drawn from just this comment, but endless interactions and debates we have had in the past on a wide, wide range of political issues. By brute force, I meant far more than just the police, I meant economic power as well. The government is the only human institution that can tell us to obey its will or it will drag us off in chains to prison at gunpoint. The government is the only human institution that can take our money without permission and not. be punished for it (this is known as taxation, or LEGALIZED THEFT. That's all part of the brute force equation. A progressive tax system is not fair in any sense of the word, as it punishes hard workers, who tend to be more successful, and subsidies through the Welfare State lazy crackheads and drug addicts easily bribed by the political ruling class. I never said we were, in fact, a true Republic, I was merely explaining to you what we were originally, from 1776 to 1861, when Lincoln invaded the South.
Where did you get your BS ideas about the Founders not wanting religious morality to have an influence in government? CNN? Howard Zinn? Because it's laughably false. Here's George Washington:
“[T]here is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists in the economy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness, between duty and advantage, between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity: Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained [see Proverbs 14:34]: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.”
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If we are purely referring to economic power, then lessening restrictions on a companies economic maneuvering quite literally makes them just as capable, if not more, of becoming an institution worse than government. Also, the government is NOT the only institution capable of doing that, it is merely the strongest. Terrorist organizations, invading militaries, they all have that power too.
During the time of the nations founding, they were fleeing a government that was using religion to its own means, while the government itself practically worshipped the religion. Overall, religious leaders… Read more
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Unbelievable – I just thoroughly debunked you and here you are claiming that, in spite of the many quotations of our founders provided, they in fact supported the opposite of what they said... Can nothing convince you? Will you not listen to any evidence contrary to your CNN-provided viewpoint? And were you aware that the phrase "separation of church and state" comes not from the Constitution, Declaration, Articles of Confederation, State Constitutions, or any legal document, but a single case in a private letter? Were you aware that the Founders supported public funding of… Read more
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I don’t even watch CNN, this is my own study from sources across the board. Thomas Jefferson still supported separation of church and state nonetheless, and regardless, the inequalities and injustices of a single religion ruling over other religions is FAR too much of a problem to be considered worth it. Also the phrase is enshrined in our First Amendment’s bill of rights, and not all of the founding fathers supported the idea, but Jefferson very much did. The Bible swearing in isn’t a law favoring any religion’s power or ability, merely a symbol of a common religion,… Read more
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What Thomas Jefferson was talking about in your quote was that civilians should not be required to participate in a specific church by law, which you would have known had you read that in context and not taken at face-value cherry-picked selective quotation hand-selected by the Left for ideological purposes. Jefferson supported that prayer and Protestant Christianity be taught in Virginia's public schools, and believed that all government policies must reflect the Judeo-Christian moral tradition. Just because prayer, and religion, are taught in public schools does not mean that you are… Read more
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And yet, according to every standard we hold today the ideal of that is one of moral wrong. Just because one is not prevented from their own worship doesn’t mean that said government will not be extremely biased towards their own, and therefore overly biased against the other religions if forced to choose between one or the other. It’s not right, it’s not fair, it’s a bad idea to hide behind. If all policies reflect one groups’ beliefs, others beliefs will be discredited, harmed, or undermined by the belief that trumps, which is why the best option to go down is one of impartiality between religions and the separation of one specific religion’s values from the rest of the government. If one reigns, no matter what, it will lower the others’ freedoms in the process.
