I literally addressed this exact claim of yours in my last paragraph; did you just not read my response or are you choosing to be willfully ignorant? Here's how I explained why your statement is incorrect:
No, because the "laws of logic" are not like legal laws; the laws of logic are dependent on our own definitions of words and meanings. We did not "decide" on what the laws of logic are, the laws of logic are merely properties of language and communication. Think of it like math: we did not "make up" mathematics in the sense that we "decided that 1+1=2", we simply made up numbers as a form of communicating the groups and values of things, and mathematics are merely a property of how these groups/values relate to each other, regardless of what we call them. We made up numbers, but mathematics is simply a function of numbers, just as we made up language and communication, but the laws of logic are simply a function of this. That's why your misunderstanding sounds so ridiculous.
Again, we did not "make up the laws in logic" in the sense that we voted by majority and decided what they will be, we "made up the laws of logic" in the sense that we made up language and meanings and the laws of logic are merely functions of these words and meanings. Again, similarly to math: we did not have some kind of majority vote to "decide" that 1+1=2, we simply made numbers in order to communicate the amounts/values of things, and mathematics is simply an inherent function of how these amounts/values relate to each other. We made up the numbers to communicate, and mathematics is just a function of the numbers, just as we made up words and meanings to communicate, and the laws of logic are just functions of the words /meanings. These functions, like both math and the laws of logic, are universal because the meanings are universal. We made up all kinds of languages to describe the same meanings and ideas in different ways, which is why math or the laws of logic are still the same regardless of what words we made up to explain the meanings we assigned to things.
Again, there is absolutely no god necessary to explain this...it's just how our own communication and meaning functions.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
So, to clarify, the laws of logic are tools that we use because they work?
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
No, the other way around. They work BECAUSE we made up what words mean and how communication functions. The laws of logic were not some kind of objective force that we discovered and decided to utilize, like the laws of gravity or the laws of physics, nor are the laws of logic something that we decided on, like legal laws...they are simply functions derived from the made-up meanings that we created as a means of communicating. There would be no "laws of logic" if we did not make up meanings for things; there were no "laws of logic" until we created meanings and applied the… Read more
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
If the laws of logic are conditional upon what we all accept, we have the never changed in human history as the language changes? Language is constantly evolving! They would not be laws if they mere things made up to sort information and understand one another like language. They wouldn't be laws at all, but conventions.
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
Different languages are merely different ways of communicating the same meanings. Words mean things only because we assigned words TO meanings (or to things, actions, etc. depending on the word's parts of speech).
For example, the law of identity would posit that something that is red...is red. This is simply due to the fact that we created the word "red" specifically to describe things that "are red". Other languages will all have their own word that also just describes things that "are red". The words can be different, but the meaning that these words are… Read more
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
The law of identity literally means that a thing is itself. This is not something mankind can event as language, because without this basic law the universe would be unable to function. Laws of logic have nothing to do with words, they exist before human language. That's why the entire universe works in a manner perfectly consistent with logical laws, and why we are able to reason at all. With all due respect, words are not close to the same thing as universal, invariant, logical laws, because words are conventions made up by mankind.
